Man Dies in House Fire

A man was unable to escape a Friday morning house fire on the 1200 block of Asti Court.

A man died Friday morning after he was unable to escape a house fire, Livermore-Pleasanton Fire Department Battalion Chief Jack Neiman-Kimel said.

At around 6:15 a.m. emergency crews were sent to the 1200 block of Asti Court, near Holmes Street, for a report of a house fire.

When firefighters arrived they saw a two-story home with flames coming from its garage, Neiman-Kimel said.

The blaze was then upgraded to a two-alarm fire but was quickly extinguished when firefighters arrived.

The garage, which had been converted into a room, was destroyed.

All the other occupants were able to get out of the house once they smelled what they described as burning plastic, Neiman-Kimel said.

No other injuries were reported, and the cause of the fire is under investigation.

Livermore Patch will update this story as more information is made available.

Terry Givens December 30, 2011 at 06:44 PM
You gotta feel for LPFD firefighters. They have seen a rash of fatalities in the past few weeks. Thank God there are people like these men and women who will perform these duties for us. I know it takes a toll on them.
Laureen Turner December 30, 2011 at 08:33 PM
I agree Terry. Thank you to the LPFD - you guys have certainly had your work cut out for you lately. Thank you for the hard work you do. Laureen
Valuegal December 30, 2011 at 09:04 PM
You said it Terry. What a sad time. I am so sorry for the family, and the firefighters.
Your Wife Your Life December 31, 2011 at 04:51 AM
Second garage fire in this area...any relevance?
John December 31, 2011 at 06:27 AM
I saw LPFD fire engines passing College Ave on their way to this tragic fire. Isn't there an Alameda County Fire Station on College that could of helped? I know with all the budget cuts any help could save a life. Seems as though closest Fire Department should respond. My Wife needed an Ambulance last month very close to College and the fire dept. came from near downtown on Rincon Ave took a long time when there is a firehouse around the corner...
Terry Givens December 31, 2011 at 11:41 PM
John, you are so right about the closest fire station should respond. However Livermore Pleasanton Fire Department (LPFD) does NOT LIKE Alameda County Fire Department (ACFD). So LPFD goes out of their way NOT to call ACFD for help. This is not new it has been going on since 1970. I know because I was there! Just review which LPFD stations were dispatched to this accident and compare thier travel time and distance travelled. Then compare these times to how long it would have taken the College station that was never requested to arrived on scene. By the way the college station has the HURST tool required to extracate the victim. LPFD feels that ACFD personnel are not efficient structural firefighters and/or medical providers. They feel that ACFD personnel are good for "grass firefighting" only. We the people and citizens of Livermore are very lucky to LPFD, ACFD (which includes LLNL firefighters) to provide to our needs. Between the two they can respond to fires, medical calls, Haz Mat, Heavy Rescue, Swift Water Rescue, and many more services. But first they have to understand that they are employed to serve the people and we the people expect to have our emergency needs responded to as quickly as possible. And we the people should expect the two departments to get over their silly bickering. If I should lose my life because the nearest station was not called then all the firefighters might end up working for the Terry Givens Memorial Fire Dept.
John January 01, 2012 at 01:07 AM
Wow! Thanks for that unfortunate information Terry. I cannot believe that egos would supersede life safety! That is atrocious. Does our city council and mayors office know about this? Maybe Kristofer Noceda can research this misuse of resources and post a story on the Patch.com
Jake January 01, 2012 at 08:52 AM
You are an uninformed fool Terry. Alameda County is responsible for the areas outside the city limits and may or at not be available at any given time therefore they are not part of a initial alarm for any emergency within the city. The LPFD DOES NOT HAVE responze time isesues in the city limits. Don't create a problem that doesn't exist in the real world
Jake January 01, 2012 at 08:57 AM
The Terry Givens Fire Department wouldn't know which way is up
Martin January 01, 2012 at 04:14 PM
On the other hand, LPFD had County Engine 20 responded to downtown Livermore during this incident to help cover the 5 LPFD districts that were left with no engines in them. County 18 is the college station and don't recall off hand if they were part of initial response to this fire or not.. I do know 18 responded to the two house fire off rincon and was second or third on scene.. I regularly monitor both LPFD and ALCO and hear them work together quite regularly.
Informed Citizen January 01, 2012 at 04:35 PM
Terry and John, You are both wrong. The College station is farther away than station 9 of LPFD which was the first responding engine company. the "truck" that you probably saw go by on College was either a second or third responding company. You should really get all your facts straight. It is so tiring listening to ignorant people complain about what they don't know regarding LPFD.
Robert January 01, 2012 at 05:53 PM
Terry....I gotta tell ya, if you were to ask any one of those guys or gals(firefighters I mean) they would probably tell you "it's all part of the job", but you're right, dealing with as many deaths as they have, including the two this past week, you know it has to affect them in some way. They have a tough job, fighting fires, and attempting at least to save lives....I don't think personally I could handle it! God bless our first responders!
Robert January 01, 2012 at 05:58 PM
I'm not sure, but the name Terry Givens rings a bell as one of the LPFD's crew at one point, was it not? If so, I think he knows what the hell he's talking about!
Terry Givens January 01, 2012 at 06:15 PM
Not dispatching Station 8 to a call that is very close to their station because they are only "responsible for areas outside the city limits" makes sense to you? I believe that Alameda County fire along with Livermore Pleasanton fire have some of the best trained firefighters in the Country, why should not the citizens of Livermore expect the station closest to their incident to respond first. If I am not mistaken a citizen in need of fire personnel really don't care whose name is on the door of the fire truck as long as their emergency is handled quickly and professionally. But then I am just a fool who doesn't know up from down!
Terry Givens January 01, 2012 at 06:23 PM
Robert, I was not a member of LPFD. I was the Volunteer Fire Fighter for Alameda County for 31 years. The last 10 years I served as the Assistant Chief in charge of the Volunteers. Many of my former volunteer fire fighters are working for fire departments all over the United States. Many work for ACFD and some even work for LPFD. I am proud of my accomplishments and I do know what I am talking about.
Robert January 01, 2012 at 06:27 PM
My mistake Terry...but for some reason, your name sounds really familiar to me for some reason....I have a question for you...does the name Thomas Beisley ring a bell to you? That might be where I heard your name from
CitizenX January 01, 2012 at 06:38 PM
The county fire department just contracted services for the Lab ? and have a station in the middle of town. Has the City ever looked into contracting with the county ? i just read were alameda county fire is the largest provider in the county. Seems the city could save some money contracting with them. I know the city had to close a station for a while due to budget problems
Martin January 01, 2012 at 06:46 PM
I gotta say I'm curious about the Hurst rescue tool that was mentioned earlier. Hurst has 4 or 5 different types of tools on the market, the most common being "Jaws of Life". They've also got a version or two of cutters such as what is commonly used to cut the roof off a car for extraction (maybe venting a roof on a structure fire?). Im interested to hear about how many engines on LPFD and the County carry these tools, and how often they're deployed to extracate a victim from a structure fire.
Terry Givens January 01, 2012 at 06:51 PM
Informed Citizen, being ignorant as you say I'm trying to get my "facts straight" If Station 9 is still located at 1919 Cordoba Street and the accident is at Holmes and Murrieta the distance should be about 1.3 miles give or take a few feet. If Station 8 is located at 1617 College Ave and the accident is still at the same place their milage is .4 miles give or take. I figure that station 8 is about a mile closer give or take than station 9, but then I went to public schools.
Martin January 01, 2012 at 07:09 PM
I'm lost here apparently,, thought the topic matched the same as the top of the page about a death in a structure fire, that LPFD 9 and 7 were at,, I didn't time but they were on scene real quick. As far as ALCO responding to LPFD calls (and visa versa) I'd have to take a guess that it's more about whats going on in the dispatch centers then any given department. I do know LPFD has their own dispatch center and I personally doubt they monitor what ALCO's status is at any given time. ALCO being dispatched by the Alameda County Regional Dispatch Center at the Lab I'd imagine doesn't monitor LPFD. I think it's more a matter of dispatching who you KNOW is available to respond rather then calling another dispatch center in hopes of getting a closer engine and hanging your hat on rather that station is even available. Makes sense to me to not contract fire services with county, but to change the radio network to be dispatched by the Regional dispatch center instead of our own. Then atleast its no secret to who's available and who's not. And Mr.Givens thanks for your service over the years.
Terry Givens January 01, 2012 at 07:10 PM
Martin, I agree I have never seen the tool used in a structure fire either, mostly used in vehicle incidents.
CitizenX January 01, 2012 at 07:47 PM
Martin it sounds like you know what your talking about . Do you work for one of these agencies ? And if the city was dispatched by alameda county and the closest fire engine responded regardless of agency how is that different than just being one department and not having redundant operations
Terry Givens January 01, 2012 at 08:38 PM
There is some confusion here and it may be that I caused it. My comments are pointed to the fact that the closest fire station weather it is LPD or AFCD should be dispatched to an incident regardless of whose jurisdiction it is in. I believe that the dispatching situation is currently being addressed. Since LPFD Station 9 was closer to the house fire then Station 9 should be dispatched as it was. But if ACFD Station 8 is second closest then it should have also been dispatched along with the other LPFD units. On the motorcycle accident at Holmes if ACFD Station 8 is closest it should have been sent, along with the other LPFD units and so on. John's wife should not have had to wait for LPFD to respond if ACFD was just down the street. Again the fire service needs to provide the best service to the people it protects regardless of the name on the door.
Martin January 01, 2012 at 08:41 PM
I know just enough to get into trouble. I work for county but not in Fire Dept. Although I have friends on the Fire Dept. One of my hobbys is listening to the scanner just to see whats going on. There hasnt been many chances to hear about what happens locally prior to the patch, and news tends to not be completely truthful in their reporting on occasion. Trying to keep it short, I'm not sure how to accurately answer that one. I know Fremont Fire is dispatched by County but they still have their own Dept. and admin to run that dept. I do think Joining the (lpfd/alco) dispatch centers together would give them the chance to see which available engine is closest to a given call without playing phone tag etc. Just food for thought,, with my (lack of) knowledge of the dispatch systems time wise, it's probably just as timely to send my own truck from a mile further away who I have direct communication with 24/7 instead of collecting all the info I need, then handing it off to another call taker who gives the info to another dispatcher who gives it to a fire truck (and clears that truck to finally change channels to the LPFD channel for updates). Accuracy is key, and may or may not be worth it to save an extra mile travel.
Informed Citizen January 02, 2012 at 12:58 AM
Terry, The call was NOT at Holmes and Murrieta, in fact it was off of Holmes just BEFORE Vancouver. So, lets see....if Station 9 (LPFD) is located at 1919 Cordoba then lets see, it is closer to the call then the station on 1617 College Ave. Station 9 was .56 mile from the call and Station 8 was 1.32 miles from the call....do the math!
Martin January 02, 2012 at 02:16 AM
I believe the accident being refered to in this post was the motorcycle down which ultimately lead to: "James Peeff died late Wednesday night after he crashed his motorcycle into a minivan at the intersection of Murrieta Boulevard and Holmes Street in Livermore." This particular fire call on Astii was right off Paris way. The point Terry was making is in the perfect world regardless of the call, the closest fire station should respond regardless of what department they're technically a part of... Something that does make sense. As a side note, If I do recall (I was 1/2 asleep when I was hearing the holmes and Murrieta call go out) There was a request for an advanced critical care ambulance as well as a helo made by LPFD for the motorcyclist. If memory serves that particular Ambulance ended up being unavailable due to being on scene with county at a call on mines road somewhere... so theres chances county 18 was possibly unavailable due to being out on that run.
Tammy January 02, 2012 at 02:47 AM
Are they releasing the name of the man?
Informed Citizen January 02, 2012 at 05:17 PM
Amen to that!
Informed Citizen January 02, 2012 at 05:29 PM
Terry, seems to me that you are causing undue "bickering". The public already has a skewed view of the fire depatments duties. The firefighters can't even get a coffee without someone complaining that they are doing this on work time. You are just adding fuel to the ignorance of this topic. I think it is a shame that so many have complained about what they don't understand.
Terry Givens January 02, 2012 at 06:07 PM
Informed Citizen, I still stand by what I stated at the beginning the citizen and the people of Livermore should expect that the fire station closest to an incident be sent, regardless of whose name is on the door. You supported that above when you showed proof that station 9 was closer to the house fire than station 8 was. So if that's the case then station 8 should be sent to incidents that they are closer to. We are saying the same thing!


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