Two Shot in Gang-Related Attack

Police are investigating an early Saturday shooting on Olivina Avenue, near North P Street.

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The Livermore Police Department is investigating a shooting that occurred in the 1500 block of Olivina Avenue. About 1:17 a.m. Saturday, LPD received a call of an intoxicated male stumbling in the area of Olivina Avenue and N. P Street.  Officers arrived on scene and located a 20-year-old Hispanic male on the ground near the entrance of a business in the 1500 block of Olivina Avenue.  Officers could see that the male had been the victim of a physical assault due to some visible injuries to his face. It was later determined that he had also been shot in the torso.

A juvenile witness on scene, who was with the victim at the time of the incident, informed LPD officers that he witnessed three Hispanic males physically attack the victim. At the conclusion of the physical attack, one of the suspects shot the victim in the torso. The witness described the suspects as three Hispanic males, approximately 20 years old, wearing dark-colored clothing.

As the investigation continued, the witness later revealed that he had also suffered a gunshot wound to the leg during the incident. Both victims were transported to Eden Hospital for medical treatment. After undergoing surgery, Victim #1 remains in critical condition.  Victim #2 was treated and released with non-life threatening injuries. LPD Detectives are actively investigating the shooting as a gang-related crime.

The Livermore Police Department is seeking the community’s assistance in locating and identifying the suspects in this case.  If anyone has information about this case, they are encouraged to call the Livermore Police Department at 925-294-7565.  Those who wish to remain anonymous may do so.

JustRobb! June 27, 2012 at 06:13 PM
John...Mr Mayor there is only one hour left in the first half of the day...do you plan on answering my questions??? they seem fair to me...do you find them not worthy of an answer??/ after all sir you brought up the point that you think you deserve your pay check so are these not good fiscal questions to ask??? Sir i am waiting for answers you were elected to give people answers to tough questions and solve problems...I see a problem here that looks just like the problem that made Stockton go BANKRUPT and YOU stated we are loosing revenue in our city so should this problem be addressed before we end up BANKRUPT as well???
Laureen Turner June 27, 2012 at 06:46 PM
JusstRobb I would like to offer a suggestion. I would sent the mayor and email. This thread is long and I doubt he has seen your posts. His email is readily found on the city's website here: http://www.cityoflivermore.net/citygov/council/default.asp Additionally, information on city council benefits and salary can be readily found on the city website as well. http://www.cityoflivermore.net/citygov/admin/hr/mous.asp Laureen
Steven June 27, 2012 at 08:20 PM
Just Robbi- Maybe you didn't read the part about communication. This is about neighborhoods, community. How well do you know your neighbor? Do you have a key to their house? Their phone numbers? I have many in my 'hood'. And we talk all the time. We watch out for each other. We know routines and will call if something is off. Police in my 'hood' are responsive and professional. Yes, we have gansters in the area, but they know and have been warned about watchful eyes. What we cannot control is outside factors. That is what I meant about communication and cooperation. This venue is not communicating. It is venting.
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 12:28 AM
Face it Laureen he folded up the tent...He is unsure about this fight and does not want to answer me or face the concerns of the public now that we are informed
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 12:36 AM
Steven i DONT WANT THE LIABILITY OF MY NEIGHBORS KEY AND SURE AS HELL DONT WANT THE FOUR NEIGHBORS OF MINE ARRESTED ON MURRIETA HAVING ACCESS TO MY HOUSE MY GUNS AND MY PROPERTY (dont think you do either)...As for the police doing selective enforcement in your neighborhood I am all glad for you but THAT FACT makes me even more sad for those of us in HIGH VIOLENT CRIME neighborhoods like the ones in these stories in Patch the last few days who are NOT GETTING THE POLICING WE PAID FOR...And Steven if we dont control these factors you speak of outside our homes then they will control us and why is it you have such RESPONSIVE policing in your "hood" if you dont feel a need to control said factors outside your home??? Also maybe we are both communicating (when the Mayor is not hiding) and venting as you say but its a start and since police and the mayor refuse to act someone has to do something because we all dont live in your hood!!! In closing even if you dont want responsible policing in the neighborhoods that are most affected by these types of crime WE DO and WE PAID FOR IT AND DESERVE IT MORE THAN THOSE INFLATED SALARIES AND PENSIONS ARE DESERVED FOR SURE so send us the police you dont need and dont want in your hood we will put them to work real fast!!!
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 12:41 AM
Mr Mayor you have lost my respect and no longer DESERVE me calling you "Mr" or "sir"
Steven June 28, 2012 at 12:47 AM
Just Robb! Spend more of your time being proactive instead of reactive. City can't do much about it, unless you allow an increase in taxes to battle this windmill. They have a budget that keeps being trimmed. Grants come in to fund specialized units, and when it's gone, it's gone, unless WE fund it I devote as much time as possible as a volunteer, 5-50 hours a month depending on training allocations. In recent months, I have been called upon less and less because there are no funds available to provide eithe continuing professional training or required basic training. If we can't fund these, then where will the City get their funds? Step up, step out or get out. My yard is safe. How is yours? I care. Do you? Don't bother replying, I am out of this feed. Too many people want, but give nothing in return. Want safety, but decry police state (checkpoints, your words Robb). Get a clue. See what is happening in other places. Get involved!! Mayor, continue CERT and CPAA programs. They are effective and free. We learn from one another. When altrusim is put aside, the community will be in sync. Steven out.
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 12:53 AM
Bullshit Steven your out because you cant stand the truth...almost a quarter of a million dollars to hire a cop that spends his time on pretty drunk girl patrol down on 1st Street with a group of his buddies is WORTHLESS to Livermore...and if he has no willingness to act then I say fire him and hire 5 rookies in his place or turn the policing over to private industry who could at least patrol the neighborhoods that NEED PATROLLING...and John no way no new taxes no more training for USELESS COPS and if you continue to hide from us then we dont need you either!!!
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 12:57 AM
Oh yah Steven I was proactive for 7 months with police and management and the Head of the HOA and they in turn also noticed police...public meetings were even held about these guys on Murrieta and all your volunteer work produced NO FRUIT and NO COPS CARED!!! they did nothing nadda squat...well I take it back they checked out alot of Pretty Drunk Girls on 1st street while ignoring hand to hand transaction in plain view in our parkinglot...You are right about one thing Steven your OUT...OUT OF TOUCH with what really happens
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 01:00 AM
And steve please show me where i used the word "checkpoints" and none of the salaries I posted were EVER CUT!!!!! let alone the 20% the hidden mayor states the city has lost!
Steven June 28, 2012 at 01:01 AM
Just Robb!- Keys to neighbors houses are a privilidge and an honor. It means they trust you. Liability? If you follow owners wishes, then there is no liability. Trust must be earned. Took me years to gain. Daily actions and reliabilty was a factor. I watch pets and houses and never worry about liability because nothing I do is contrary to their wishes. Each household is an individual, and if you treat them as a collective, as you imply, then you will have a net result. You get what you input. Put an ace in the hole. Sit outside and wave to the neighbors instead of at the computer. Say hello and pet a dog. Takes time and effort but works better than spewing what you do. Again, wrong venue. Talk to me in person, then we can communicate.
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 01:02 AM
Oh yah Steven so we know all the player...do you get a paycheck from our taxes???
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 01:07 AM
Again Steven you dont want the neighbors I have having access to my guns trust me...you are the one living in the hood that gets all the selective police enforcement i live in the hood the police ignore...we have to watch out for ourselves cause some of our neighbors are the real true bad guys that the selective policing you enjoy keeps out of your neighborhood
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 01:11 AM
REPOSTED FOR STEVEN...NO NEW TAXES WE PAY TOO MUCH AND DONT GET WHAT WE PAY FOR...Barton, Linda M, City Manager, $350,999...Sweeney, Stephen G Police Chief $292,723...Pomidor, John J City Attorney $267,730...Hurd, John F Police Sergeant $255,288...Trudeau, Scott J Police Captain $241,485...Ratcliffe, Joshua J Police Sergeant $240,143...Roberts, Ernest M Community Development Dir $235,053...Brock-Cohn, Holly I Administrative Services Dir $232,776...Mcintyre, Daniel B Public Works Director $232,698...Gallagher, Steven V Police Lieutenant $229,035...Sarsfield, Matthew J Police Lieutenant $226,173...Horton Jr, James R Police Sergeant $225,669...Peretti, Michael J Police Lieutenant $225,000...Bye, Lance R Police Lieutenant $224,333...Garavatti, Ava Police Lieutenant $223,828...Trudeau, Michael S Police Sergeant $222,401...Conley, James M Police Sergeant $219,274...WHEN 7 OF THESE COPS SIT DOWNTOWN ON 1ST STREET AND WATCH PRETTY DRUNK GIRLS GO BY IT COSTS US 2 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR...THIS IS SICKENING!!!!!!!!!NO NEW TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!NO MORE INCREASES TO OUTRAGEOUSLY INFLATED SALARIES AND PENSIONS...DONT LET THE STEVENS OF THE CITY TALK US INTO BANKRUPTCY LIKE THEY DID IN STOCKTON!!!!!!!
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 01:17 AM
Maybe you right about another thing Steven "When altrusim is put aside, the community will be in sync". But I declare you are the one being altruistic and I am being the realist...we simply cant continue this way its not working and we can no longer afford it...So when people with your point of view finally become realistic maybe we will be in sync!
AnnF June 28, 2012 at 01:19 AM
I have watched this feed and all this talk about money and our city budget, I cannot help but to go back to that waste of $250K you Mr. Mayor decided to wastefully spend on that report for the BART station downtown. Wow, we could really use that money now couldn't we. I also understand the fact that no police officers have not been laid off in this economy. What you are not saying is that the ones that retired or moved on, Livermore did not replace so in fact we ARE down the amount of officers on the street keeping things safe for the citizens that DO pay your salary. Let’s keep things honest and do not talk to the citizens as if we are uneducated in these matters. We want to feel safe in the town we call home! THIS IS WHAT WE WANT! I am sure you now maybe regret that decision to spend that $250K, but it is too late, it is gone. Getting the fireworks back was due to citizens raising money and using their voices. Please do not threaten taking them away again. I really do hope you are watching where OUR money is spent in the future. You never know where it could be really needed in OUR city. Again, I say PUBLIC SERVANTS.
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 01:57 AM
Thanks Rebecca for the reminder...but i think the mayor is now in hiding...he was unable to defend his argument that he DESERVES his pay check and since then he REFUSES TO ANSWER...I do think its still important to continue to remind all of us though of the wasteful spending we are paying for and the lack of service we get for it...thanks again!
BigBetty June 28, 2012 at 02:16 AM
Yes, it was at Rincon and Olivina, and down close to McDonalds, I have been concerned about this because I usually see it on the wall of the railroad tracks and the underpasses, this was a first to see it there, I am worried.
John Marchand June 28, 2012 at 05:18 AM
@JustRobb – It appears that you believe that there is nothing more to my job than to sit in front a computer and read the Patch. Today, my day started at 7:30 this morning with a meeting with the Chamber of Commerce Board of Directors and it ended with a meeting with the Citizen Fireworks committee at 7:00 p.m. tonight. After reading the 348 page packet for tomorrow’s meeting of the Alameda County Transportation Commission, I finally found time to go on line and read my emails and the Patch. For the record, I did take a cut in pay. My salary as mayor is $1,400 per month or $16,800 per year, hardly exorbitant by any standard. I accept no medical benefits from the City. Furthermore, in this budget cycle and these negotiations, we have made significant progress toward pension reform and long term sustainability. Next month, I will be conducting a State of the City Town Hall to which the public will be invited. I encourage you to attend. The Patch is a difficult place to hold a conversation. As you pointed out, you could be responding on one string while different dialogue is progressing on another. I, for one, do not have the time to follow all of them. As Laureen suggested, send me an email. I would be happy to meet with you and talk with you about your concerns.
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 06:17 PM
John my day starts early and ends late as well...I am in-between commitments right now...yours is no more or less than any man or woman in the city...drop the ego please...I find time for Patch because i am PASSIONATE about this topic plain and simple. As for your Fireworks meeting did you notice them that you threatened us with cutting the program to pay for the gang task force WE THE PEOPLE ALREADY PAID FOR??? And that packet probably should have been read long before the night prior to the morning meeting dont ya think? All these arguments you table here are fluff and politics as usual...lets get to the heart of the real argument Inflated Salaries & Pensions causing the city to go broke okay? Your salary as you reported herein is 16,800.00 per year I ask you here with the public in view...is that your TCOE (Total Cost of Employment) to the city??? John what is your TCOE for the record and what are your pension contributions??? And how much was this pay cut you NOW mention??? Did it save the city 20% or more as you state we have lost as a city??? John maybe I will attend your next Town Hall but look we ALL know that you in counsel set rules to avoid topics and public view of such topics as mine...then you use those rules to refuse answers and limit WE THE PEOPLE'S abilities to pose them and demand solutions...so lets face it by next month you will have a show to put on for us at your Town Hall Meeting and WILL NOT BE ADDRESSING THESE VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES THEREIN!!!!
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 06:31 PM
John I want to address your invitation to meet. First of all I want to note you are asking for a meeting in your office on your home court to have an advantage. if you feel the need to have this advantage I will give it to you because I think the truth of this argument will win out regardless but I require two conditions...1) there be some type of Public Record of the meeting that anyone and everyone can view for themselves to see if the topics were actually addressed or danced around or ignored. that way you cant play politics with me as I am just a simple man and do not posses the obvious skill set you have for politics. 2) I want you to address the general topics herein as a show of good faith that these topics and concerns will seriously be addresses in greater detail in this meeting in your office out of public view...And to show example of what I mean lets look at your statement below..."we have made significant progress toward pension reform and long term sustainability". This is a fluff political statement designed to get people to hear what they hope for and want to see happen. You did not state if pensions were to be cut by the 20% you state our city has lost. You refuse to state if the inflated pensions we now pay will continue to be paid. you did not SIDE with us or against us as to your thought on the amount you feel these pensions are inflated. In short John you really did what I am afraid you plan to do in this meeting talk alot with out saying ANYTHING at all!
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 06:48 PM
Here are topics I want to hear your solutions for in the meeting and see some general address in good faith prior to the meeting: 1) Cops cost us nearly a quarter of a million dollars per year per cop (TCOE)...we could fire the highest paid half 40 cops and since we CANT AFFORD to give them a cost of living raise they could go to a city that could and will be happier since MONEY is their only concern...That would allow us to hire about 5 cops for every one we fired 200 new cops tripling our current force...or just 3 and save the money not spent for other projects or the general fund 2) Cops sitting in large groups on 1st street to watch pretty drunk girls go by while citizens 3 blocks away are getting beaten for cell phones...poor policing by design...we have paid for policing in the areas most affected by violent crimes and LPD does not patrol those areas. Maybe some foot patrols would help as well! 3) we have many unused patrol cars on every shift so if you refuse to hire more cops we could sell off the excess fleet and fire the unneeded maintenance staff to pay for cops to patrol OUR neighborhoods in most need of patrol 4) All police and city officials need to take a GREATER than 20% pay cut because as you stated we have lost those dollars and cant afford to pay salaries that are...umm howd you put it..."exorbitant by any standard" The city manager alone costs us OVER a 1/3 of a MILLION DOLLARS a year. That must make even you sick if you really do only make 16k/y
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 07:06 PM
5) if worried about city income we could start writing tickets for simple possession as is allowed by law instead of confiscating and releasing without citation. that would bring in some money even a little would help right? 6) Sweeney is not worth his money paid we can see that by his lack of care and his poor policing designs like groups of cops on pretty drunk girl patrol so FIRE HIM and replace him by the first cop in the lower half of salaries willing to take a 20% pay cut to get his office. At this point no one could do worse and we NEED to save the money Sweeney cost us 1/3 of a MILLION DOLLARS per year. 7) MOST IMPORTANT to me personally I want an end to the TRICKED CONSENSUAL SEARCHES by LPD and the immediate end of them teaching one another how to exactly word and specifically phrase sentences to TRICK CITIZENS OUT OF THEIR FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS and the use of Livermore Citizens as practice to perfect such tactics. Many agencies have made it policy to strickly LIMIT CONSENUALY SEARCHES!!! If you cant get that done then lets talk about classes paid for out of police budgets to teach Livermore Citizens how to lawfully evade such unconstitutional tactics levied on us by LPD!!!
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 07:27 PM
8) I want to hear your input on a CITIZEN PANEL to hear EVERY complaint made against LPD. Cops guarding their own hen house is stupid at the least and obviously a defense tactic against us the citizens of Livermore. this panel should have some teeth as well and be able to effect a cops ability to continue to abuse us. The stories in Patch alone support a need for us the tax paying citizen to have a say in ALL POLICE ABUSE CLAIMS even those claims of cops NOT PERFORMING THEIR DUTIES. 9) LPD to start acting as is required by law on EACH AND EVERY WARRANT issued properly by a sitting judge or magistrate INCLUDING CIVIL WARRANTS! 10) re-prioritize traffic cops so they are not in proportion more than what is NEEDED in the patrolling of our streets for actual crimes being committed. I realize that may make for even less revenue but the other changes i mentioned will more than make up for the deficit and it would provide a better lifestyle for us the citizen. 11) Last not least I want to hear what you are doing to REDUCE CURRENT & FUTURE PENSIONS we can afford them as you have shown us and NEED to stop them to avoid a BANKRUPTCY! John the ball is in your court AGAIN and again i ask you will you answer these concerns, do you care, can we count on you or not??? I look forward to our meeting if your sincere and step up to my conditions. Also I want to note you missed the opportunity to rally us around you by not being willing to walk our streets with us when we invited you to do so!
JoAnne June 28, 2012 at 08:41 PM
Demanding that community money be used to support schools rather than the regional theater is a silly way to prevent "wanna be gang members"? Frankly, there may always be an element of society that will be involved in crime, but a school system that can meet the challenges to support all learners may influence some to realize that their education provides them with better opportunities. (A good school system does involve the arts...that is an important principle!) If you believe that your tax dollar should be spent for a theater that sells seats $100/performance and that the city should be obligated to pay for the regional theater, then justrobb there is a whole world of campaign and cocktail parties awaiting you!
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 09:28 PM
Woe JoAnne I never said I believe that OUR tax dollars should be spent for a theater that sells seats $100/performance and that the city should be obligated to pay for the regional theater, I cant afford the damn theater! I said the opposite please reread my posts I am against lavish spending on this level and I am also against after school programs run on an all volunteer basis when city mangers and police chiefs make a third of a million dollars a year in inflated salaries! I said I want all government salaries to be subject to a 20% cut so we could afford to put money into schools but I also want principle and district employees that get inflated salaries and pensions replaced with less expensive people. JoAnne we simply can NOT afford to continue to pay these over paid people for services not rendered or rendered poorly. More over I dont want the mayor telling us that we need to all volunteer for some after school program as a solution to families getting beat up on Portola for their cell phone while the cops we paid to protect that family sit in groups on 1st street and ogle pretty drunk girls as they pass at a quarter of a million dollars a year per cop!
John Marchand June 29, 2012 at 04:15 AM
@Rebecca - I am glad that you brought up the 9212 report, the BART study, because that brings up an issue that was lost in the strident rhetoric of the last election. Much was made of the fact that 8,300 people signed the “BART on 580” initiative. Bringing BART into the downtown was a mechanism MTC to provide funding for BART, because the MTC requires higher density before they will fund transit extensions. It’s called “Transit Oriented Development” or TOD. The initiative was very cleverly crafted because it required the breaking of the citizen-mandated urban growth boundary, or UGB. The UGB is what protects Livermore’s hills and surrounding open space. The initiative would have allowed developers to extend urban sprawl into protected areas near Greenville. In 2005, 20,000 voters, or 72% of the ballots cast, voted to protect the UGB. Of all of the people whom I spoke with, none had read the initiative before signing and none of them knew that the initiative required breaking the voter-supported UGB. The 9212 report was valuable because it considered a new alignment and identified a TOD receiver site south of the freeway. This protected the UGB and preserved the will of those voters from 2005. As a member of the A.C. Transit Commission, I successfully fought to include $400 million in the Measure B reauthorization to bring BART to Livermore along the freeway. This is the first time that construction funds have ever been identified.
John Marchand June 29, 2012 at 04:59 AM
@JustRobb – As mayor, my TCOE (Total Cost of Employment) for the City is $1,528 per month or $18,342 per year. This includes the PARS pension payment of 1.3% of my salary and my phone allowance. As I mentioned before, I accept no medical benefits from the City.
Bay Area Patch Reader June 30, 2012 at 04:00 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57463760-504083/heaven-sutton-7-year-old-chicago-girl-fatally-shot-moments-after-getting-hair-styled-for-trip-to-disney-world/ I am not going to assume that I don't need to worry about the gangs directly coming at me. Obviously our city is not on the same level as Chicago when it comes to population, violence and crime. But I certainly don't want to wait and see if something like this happens in our town.
Ryken Christiansen July 03, 2012 at 07:16 AM
Kudos on the response and logic. From a former soldier's point of view - like those in the military, the LPD mission is to protect and serve. City leaders up and down the chain have the duty to ensure the LPD has the resources necessary to combat against gang activity and enlist the public's support. Leaders find solutions even if "grants" can't be diverted (nothing is impossible - difficult - but not impossible); weak leaders hide behind policies and procedures. Best to ensure the safety of Livermore citizens and gangs do pose a threat to that safety.


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