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Officers Agree to Contribute More to Pensions

Livermore Police Officers Association says Livermore taxpayers will save $374,000 through 2014 after new deal.

Here's an announcement provided by the Livermore Police Officers Association:

The Livermore City Council voted unanimously Monday to approve a new contract agreement with the Livermore Police Officers’ Association which will save Livermore taxpayers approximately $374,000 for the next two years through 2014. 

“Our police officers voluntarily agreed to pay 5 percent more in pension payments to save the City of Livermore money to help balance its budget,” said Officer Glen Robbins, President of the Livermore Police Officers’ Association.  “Our police officers recognize that, despite our tough jobs, we need to contribute more so that basic city services can be maintained for the citizens of Livermore.” 

In 2009, the Livermore Police Officers’ Association opened up its contract and sacrificed its members’ 3.25 percent raise to keep basic services going for the Livermore community.

In total, Robbins estimates that the Livermore POA has agreed to over $1 million dollars in taxpayer savings in the last few years of negotiations — out of its commitment to the residents of Livermore. 

“Livermore’s police officers are 100 percent committed to this community and to keeping basic services and programs for our residents,” Robbins added. “Our officers and their families are sacrificing — so are our residents.” 

The two-year contract agreement approved by the Livermore City Council on Monday includes provisions for police officers to pay 2.5 percent more of their share into pensions in 2012-2013 and another 2.5 percent in 2013-2014, for a total of 5 percent. It also establishes another tier for new hires with a new 3 at 55 retirement, and a requirement that new hires pay the full 9 percent into retirement yearly.

JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 08:15 PM
Livermore’s police officers are 100 percent committed to this community and to keeping basic services and programs ...BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KEEP THEIR INFLATED SALARIES THEY DONT EARN AND ARE NOT WILLING TO EARN
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 08:18 PM
The two-year contract agreement approved by the Livermore City Council on Monday includes provisions for police officers to pay 2.5 percent more of their share into pensions in 2012-2013 and another 2.5 percent in 2013-2014...AGAIN WE HAVE LOST OVER 20% OF OUR CITIES INCOME...THIS IS SICKENING FOLKS WE DONT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR INFLATED POOR POLICING WE ARE PAYING FOR WAY MORE THAN WE RECEIVE AND NEED TO STOP THIS INSANITY BEFORE WE GO BROKE LIKE STOCKTON DID. WE CAN PREVENT THIS IF WE ALL TRY
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 08:20 PM
Maurice thanks for the good fight neighbor. We need more people like you holding these cooks accountable. they are stealing from us plain and simple and then use a play on word and politics to make the general public THINK they are solving our crisis. This scam needs to be stopped!
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 08:21 PM
Agreed Paul how about we cut them the over 20% the mayor says we have lost and how about we do it now this year not in some future year
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 08:24 PM
SR your wrong simply wrong sir...they decided to NOT take an INCREASE to ALREADY INFLATED SALARIES...the police chief makes about 1/3 of a MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR! Sir that is OVER SUPPORTED...we have already bent over backwards for the LPD and are about to break we cant afford these cops and their lack of willingness to act, their lack of services paid for many times over!!!
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 08:25 PM
Here is some data for you Mike and all of Barton, Linda M, City Manager, $350,999...Sweeney, Stephen G Police Chief $292,723...Pomidor, John J City Attorney $267,730...Hurd, John F Police Sergeant $255,288...Trudeau, Scott J Police Captain $241,485...Ratcliffe, Joshua J Police Sergeant $240,143...Roberts, Ernest M Community Development Dir $235,053...Brock-Cohn, Holly I Administrative Services Dir $232,776...Mcintyre, Daniel B Public Works Director $232,698...Gallagher, Steven V Police Lieutenant $229,035...Sarsfield, Matthew J Police Lieutenant $226,173...Horton Jr, James R Police Sergeant $225,669...Peretti, Michael J Police Lieutenant $225,000...Bye, Lance R Police Lieutenant $224,333...Garavatti, Ava Police Lieutenant $223,828...Trudeau, Michael S Police Sergeant $222,401...Conley, James M Police Sergeant $219,274...
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 08:29 PM
I want to see EVERY SALARY cut by MORE than the 20% the mayor states we have lost in city revenue. Is it too much to ask when ALL OF US have lost 20% or more. In fact many of these cops need to be fired and replace by YOUNGER new cops that are willing to act and do their jobs for a lot less especially if the current over paid cops refuse to take a greater than 20% cut to wages. And if the city is broke we cant afford any pensions at all if it means we have to suffer any loss of current services
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 08:30 PM
And Mike lets not allow them to force us into more taxes to give to them in the form of pay raises or pension contributions
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 08:30 PM
No paul this is what they are doing Barton, Linda M, City Manager, $350,999...Sweeney, Stephen G Police Chief $292,723...Pomidor, John J City Attorney $267,730...Hurd, John F Police Sergeant $255,288...Trudeau, Scott J Police Captain $241,485...Ratcliffe, Joshua J Police Sergeant $240,143...Roberts, Ernest M Community Development Dir $235,053...Brock-Cohn, Holly I Administrative Services Dir $232,776...Mcintyre, Daniel B Public Works Director $232,698...Gallagher, Steven V Police Lieutenant $229,035...Sarsfield, Matthew J Police Lieutenant $226,173...Horton Jr, James R Police Sergeant $225,669...Peretti, Michael J Police Lieutenant $225,000...Bye, Lance R Police Lieutenant $224,333...Garavatti, Ava Police Lieutenant $223,828...Trudeau, Michael S Police Sergeant $222,401...Conley, James M Police Sergeant $219,274...
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 08:32 PM
how do you sleep at night...and how much of our taxes do you take from us annually???
livermoron June 28, 2012 at 09:43 PM
Wow Robb, are you bitter about being fired from your last job....errr....I mean "commitment" as you put it? Based on the amount of posts in the past 24 hours, I would suggest you get one. You've been here ALL day. It's ok though, you'll feel better when you become a productive member of society. Keep you chin up.
JustRobb! June 28, 2012 at 09:53 PM
LiverMoron I worked my job today and am about to leave for continued education classes right now...you misread and interpreted my post wrongly but its understood given the name. Many of the posts were simple copy and paste productions but yes I am very passionate about this topic and feel you should be too
Flash June 28, 2012 at 09:55 PM
Robb, turn off caps and take a break from this ridiculous crusade. Your ego needs a vacation. All municipalities are struggling right now and common sense changes are needed, but your constant spewing of venom is getting really old.
livermoron June 28, 2012 at 10:24 PM
Robb, does your employer know you were at work all day, working so hard on making posts on the Patch? What is it exactly that you do that makes you so bitter at the public sector?
Paisley June 28, 2012 at 11:02 PM
"What is it exactly that you do that makes you so bitter at the public sector?" This isn't a serious question is it? Maybe he is one of the few that actually pay income taxes! You know - the honest ones. Not the poor, and not the filthy rich. The ones who bust their ass every day making less money so people in Government can spend 50 grand on benches that almost no one uses, and doesn't understand why they can't hire more police. Maybe he just understands math. I know everyone thinks everything is great because the city just signed a budget - but Governor Brown shows us that budgets are made to be broken. Just ask Antioch. They will vouch for him!
Concerned citizen June 28, 2012 at 11:20 PM
I have to agree for the most part with Rob and Maurice. The public sector employees salaries and pensions cannot be sustained. They cannot promote themselves right before retirement in order to get bigger packages. They cannot go on disability and then be found to do heavy lifting etc. Unfortunately they cannot seem to be fired either. We have horrible teachers that cannot be fired, horrible BART employees that cannot be fired, horrible police officers that cannot be fired. They are protected until the bitter end. It is sad, very sad. We had a mayor for years and years and I for one went to a few council meetings found him to be only to listen to what he wanted to hear and cut off the ones he disagreed with. Then when he does not get a council seat they make him some honorary position. What???
livermoron June 28, 2012 at 11:46 PM
Where's the proof that pensions cannot be sustained? There's arguments to both sides, but no proof. San Jose is not a valid example because the mayor was caught lying. The public sector has only become the urinal for the private sector to piss on since the stock market crashed. During the economic boom, nobody had anything to say about the public sector, nor the crooked execs that caused the stock market to crash. Funny how all the sudden people need to find someone else to blame, other than those that actually caused the problem.
Paisley June 29, 2012 at 12:20 AM
"Where's the proof that pensions cannot be sustained? We have a 16 billion dollar deficit! It's like a neon sign that says "here is the proof'! Do you think Antioch went bankrupt because they felt like it! BTW during the boom people had everything to say about the public sector. Like how can fire and police take up 80% of a cities budget and they still be able to provide other services for their citizens. All you have to do it google it.
livermoron June 29, 2012 at 12:24 AM
Oh Paisley.... where's is say 16 billion is from pensions? I love how people like you fabricate their own numbers to prove their point.
TrueRealist June 29, 2012 at 03:37 PM
In other news. I contributed an additional 5% to my 401K. Where do I sign up for the "thank yous" and "great job"?
The Real Anon June 29, 2012 at 03:56 PM
Rob, you have valid complaints but your style and attitude detract from the quality of your argument. Like another poster said, turn off the caps and restrict yourself to higher quality posts. Marchand's comp is not the issue here; his salary is quite modest. If there are pension costs, so be it, but hopefully they are just as modest as the salary. You do raise excellent points about the relationship between city revenues and employee compensation. It is not reasonable for city employees to expect to have constant or ever-increasing salaries when revenues are in decline. Everyone will have to do with less. And maybe to do more with less. However exorbitant the police salaries are, and they are ridiculous numbers indeed, I doubt those are salaries. I think the number must include very substantial amounts of overtime, and therein lies a big problem; the OT is used for pension calculations and often there is so much OT in one position that it could have paid for another officer. Reform is needed, clearly. But, and Rob, pay attention, because this is very important. You cannot get even a rookie cop for 1/5 of what our experienced police leadership is making, even with their very high OT total comp numbers. Take the example of any of the Lt, or Capt. slots; those are highly experienced officers. They are the command structure of the force. They also mentor younger officers and serve as trainers . I do not want a 50K a year cop walking around here armed.
The Real Anon June 29, 2012 at 03:57 PM
Thanks TR, good job! :)
The Real Anon June 29, 2012 at 04:04 PM
$16B is the current (changes like the wind) number that Moonbeam has published. What is galling is that illegals cost CA $10.5B a year (that's an old number so its probably much more now). So basically they are screwing us all out of a fiscally sound state government and the services that we would otherwise be able to use, which are intended only for citizen use, not for foreigners. And laughing all the way to the carniceria.
The Real Anon June 29, 2012 at 04:14 PM
You know what would help more, Ms Turner, is if our public servants didn't have cadillac pensions that allow them to earn millions of dollars in retirement. They should have 401k plans like almost everyone else. Why should we pay cops and firefighters millions when they aren't working? Pay them cash, for the service they perform, at the time of service. Why? a) Because its fair. If you pay cash, then the people who receive the service also pay for it. When the cost is deferred, that part is paid by people who get no benefit from it. b) Because its transparent. Cash lets us see the real/true cost of the service. Under the current scheme, most of the cost is "deferred" and paid later. Nobody understands what the true cost of a cop or firefighter is because the compensation includes some undetermined amount to be paid later. Yes there is a formula, but nobody knows for sure how long the payments will be made. Yes, there are actuarial tables, but the point is, its not a good way to understand the costs. c) It is equitable. Most people do not have pensions, they have 401k. Public servants should not have special treatment , but rather be similarly situated to the public that they serve. d) Its competitive. With cash the costs can be easily compared to private sector pay. Thus, we should abolish complex pension schemes that distort oversight and control, and instead pay cash to government employees to ensure transparency, fairness, and equity.
livermoron June 29, 2012 at 04:22 PM
Once again, more misinformation. NO OVERTIME is calculated into a PERS pension. NONE.
Ryken Christiansen June 29, 2012 at 08:24 PM
Wow....$50K for rookie police officer....about $30K more than a an Army SGT (E-5) patrolling in a war zone leading a 5 member 5 fire team.....also not a dime for overtime and most soldiers do not retire - discharge and move on with their lives.
Bay Area Patch Reader June 29, 2012 at 09:36 PM
Good point, Ryken.
The Real Anon July 01, 2012 at 06:35 AM
Ryken, the point isn't to compare police and military compensation or benefits. The point is that 50K is relatively speaking, chicken feed, and certainly not very much money. As far as I am aware all police agencies in the nine county Bay Area pay their rookie cops that much or more.
Notjustrobb! July 04, 2012 at 06:31 AM
JustRobb! It appears you have no clue what you are talking about. The annual pay amounts you posted for various City of Livermore employees does not provide any information as to why they earned those totals. Do those totals include total compensation packages or just wages (including retirement, medical, vacation, sick, leave, and other misc. contributions)? Many of those employees you mentioned are hourly employees and must work a tremendous amount of overtime to reach those annual totals in wages alone. I work with several of those employees you mentioned and my base salary is not even close to what you quoted. I could make $200K plus per year, however, I would have to work enormous amounts of overtime to do so. My base salary is about 1/2 that amount. Plus, I took cut on my last contract with the City of Livermore and I just took a larger cut on the contract we just finalized with the City of Livermore. Many of the employees you quoted as having "high" annual income totals, actually spend most of their days off and many times 13-15 hours per day (or longer) protecting you and other citizens (plus working ridiculous graveyard shift hours). So please have a little better understanding of the facts before you just go around slamming public safety or other City of Livermore employees. Believe me, it would be much easier to work a nice 9am to 5pm job somewhere.
CDR July 20, 2012 at 06:32 PM
Regarding the salaries posted by JustRobb, those seem to be all command staff. The people you see patrolling the streets and who respond to the 911 calls, are not pulling those salaries. I live with a Livermore Police officer. A regular patrol officer with 15 plus years in the Department, who does not put in for overtime, makes far less then I do as s software engineer. Also, I've been told but have not researched it myself, Livermore officers have lower total compensation then most other departments in California. Don't you feel safe now? I agree the ubber high salaries of command staff, and other high ranking city officers are ridiculous, those are the salaries that should be targeted, not the people who actually put thier lives on the line for the residents of our city.

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