UPDATE: Man, Teen Arrested After Choking Officer and Breaking His Leg
Police report second attack on officer this month.
An officer suffered a broken leg after he was choked and attacked early Saturday, Livermore Police Officer Steven Goard said.
A 19-year-old and a teen were arrested after the incident, which is the second reported attack on an officer this month.
The officer, who was responding to a report of a disturbance at a house party, is expected to make a full recovery and return to full duty in a few months, officials said.
At 1:23 a.m., police were sent to the 900 block of Lambaren Avenue, near Olivina and Rincon avenues, after receiving multiple 911 calls for individuals screaming, breaking bottles and a possible fight, Goard said.
A police press release provides a description of the scene:
LPD units arrived on scene and observed approximately 100 subjects in the area. An officer saw a male juvenile who was extremely intoxicated and had difficulty walking. An officer attempted to check the welfare of the juvenile. During the welfare check, a group of individuals walked towards the officer and became confrontational.
Police said several people at the party attacked the officer while he was trying to take a 17-year-old into custody for public intoxication.
The police press release recaps the attack:
One individual from the group, a 17-year-old male, incited others to challenge the officer. The juvenile’s behavior was belligerent, confrontational, and created a dangerous environment to the responding officers. When the officer attempted to handcuff the juvenile, he physically attacked the officer by punching the officer in the face and torso multiple times. While the officer attempted to defend himself, an adult male Adrian Manzano, attacked the same officer from behind. Manzano jumped onto the back of the officer and choked the officer. The officer, the juvenile, and Manzano fell to the ground. Both Manzano and the juvenile continued to physically attack the officer. Other officers on scene came to the aid of the injured officer.
A resident who lives in the home that hosted the party said in an interview with Livermore Patch:
It was just a house party and everyone was having a good time and socializing.
The resident also said a small fight erupted at the party over a spilled drink, which escalated when more people got involved.
"It was not a gang-related incident," the resident said. "We just moved into the house and are just students at Las Positas College."
Patch readers commenting on this article said police used excessive force.
Goard provided the following statement to Livermore Patch in response:
I know that officers had to back up the crowd of friends trying to interfere with the officers.
No officers struck or swung batons at anyone. I know that with crowd control situations, batons are used to push crowds back and away from other officers. But (in) those cases, batons are held in both hands and not used in a swinging motion.
No one has come to LPD to report excessive force or claim to be struck with a baton from the incident.
Another resident who lives nearby told Livermore Patch that they woke up to "very loud screaming" at around 1:30 a.m.
The resident said:
There was a huge brawl, at least 20-30 kids . . . We heard the kids yelling, "Don't worry, you're only 17, can't go to jail."
In addition, the resident said the officer was taken away on a stretcher.
Officials said the officer complained of severe pain to his right leg. He was transported to ValleyCare Hospital, where he was treated and released with a broken leg.
"I do hope the officer is OK," the resident said. "Very sad that youth do not have respect for authority."
The Livermore Police Officers Association posted the following statement on Facebook:
The LPOA is concerned that these attacks on our officers will continue as the number of police officers employed in our city continues to decrease.
Manzano, 19, and the 17-year-old juvenile are both Livermore residents. Police said the two were arrested and booked on the following charges:
- Battery on police officer with injury
- Resisting or deterring an officer with force
- Willful resistance to peace officer causing serious bodily injury
Saturday's incident is the latest reported attack on a Livermore officer.
On Feb. 10, attackers hurled concrete chunks and stones from a railroad track toward an officer. The officer was struck in the head and taken to a hospital, where he was later released. The officer was working to clear debris in the roadway underneath the P Street railroad crossing when he was attacked.
Police continue to investigate the attack and are asking the public's help in tracking down suspects. A $2,000 reward is being offered.
Interested in breaking news? Subscribe to our newsletter and get alerts for stories like this sent to you by email.
Lea Ann
12:33 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I hope those kids that attacked the officer were arrested and are prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If they are under 18, I hope their parents are charged also for not having taught their children to have respect for authority.
mara
10:20 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
Please don't blame the parents. Sometimes we teach our children to the best but they just make the wrong choices. There's been plenty of cases were our officers just take advantage of the badge they hold. So please don't judge if see were not a witness. Those officers were brutal.
Lola Carola
12:56 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Thanks for the info.
Ronnie
1:01 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Why do people always blame the police. If you follow authorities orders it will be a calm end result. Police arent the ones causing the chaos. Have some respect towards them, they sre out there keeping our community safe.
Robert
12:21 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
It's my opinion, blaming police is a scape-goat so people think they don't have to take responsibility for their own illegal actions!
jane doe
1:07 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
not to say police deserve to be attacked but neither are children or anyone.People should trust police but around here you call for help and you get harassed. Dont get me wrong they are more then willing to help people who are in the upper class but for the rest of us its rude and disrespect seems to be all you get from this police force
B
2:24 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
yea, because rocks are thrown at them one night and then jumped by inebriated teenagers the next.
MsBags
7:56 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
You are obviously uneducated and ignorant. When you are approached by the police you comply with what that officers tells you to do not attack them. That is not harassing, that is respecting authority and doing what you are told. What these little punks did is alright because ignorant people like you think that they can act however they want and not suffer consequences? When you see how youngsters and law breakers act towards the law its no wonder law enforcement is aggressive with them. Law abiding citizens don't have these problems. Geez, wake up and look at reality, not lame ass excuses like yours for acting stupid and thinking you have rights to disrespect the law. Don't do things to break the law and then you don't have to worry about police confrontation....PERIOD....it's that simple.
DHS 76
1:15 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Oh my God! The police are doing too much! They're out of control....
Oh my God! the police aren't doing enough...They're lazy and overpaid.
Oh my God, the police don't stand a chance, on the street or here in the "Barfosphere..."
Cin
1:25 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
People blame the police, because they are a scapegoat. Police deal with the slugs in life who were not raised properly. While most of us were sleeping safely in our beds, these drunk minors were taking law enforcement officers off the street. Where are the parents of these kids? Where did they get the alcohol? There are approximately 80,000 people in Livermore, last night 79,970 of us were left unprotected because of these irresponsible young adults. And all 80,000 of us will be less protected tonight because one of our officer's is now off work.
If people held themselves accountable for their actions, this city would be a better place to live.
MsBags
7:59 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
AMEN!!!!! These little punks should be glad we don't live in a vigilant society because I would have been more then happy to assist the officers in restoring peace! I am tired of scum bags that think they do whatever they want and then use lame excuses for their bad behavior.
mike
1:26 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
A sad day for the city when drunken kids decide they will obey the laws if it suits them. Not a huge surprise on Lambaren, though these things can happen anywhere, except they dont. If these kids turn out to be running with our local gangs, the city needs to get busy and call in ICE.
MsBags
8:00 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I agree Mike. I also believe that the parents of these delinquents should be held accountable and responsible as well!
tiffany
1:30 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
These comments make me seriously sick. We have lived in Livermore for 11 years and have never had a problem with an officer. The police here do the best they can to keep our streets safe for our children. In the last 5 years livermore has seen some questionable youth move to our city and they have no respect for anyone, not there parents, people in authority and they seem to do what they can to attack police. Where were the parents of the 17yr old who attacked the officer, where were the parents of the other kids at this party? The parents of each minor should be charged! Let the cops do their jobs and teach your kids to respect the officers who are just trying to keep livermore safe for everyone!
Lea Ann
2:15 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I agree. Every cop we have met in Livermore has always been very nice. Of course, we aren't out causing trouble. Every year we invite them to our neighborhood block party for the kids and they come and hand out stickers and turn on the lights etc.. I think they are great!
Joe smith
2:18 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Amen, hammer.
Michael D. Brown
11:56 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Very true @Rick Hammer LPD having been doing there boot and baton tactics since I was a kid not to mention the late not drops in the industrial zone and I know I'm not the only one it's happened to the police in this town have had a hit first ask later attitude since even before my time, and you can't say it is not true because you don't know.
cmk
1:34 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
There was one beligerent 17 year old, who by the way, is not taller nor heavier than any police officer. The police appear to have lost control of the situation and in an attempt to find that control, the officers that came over to help the officer in the confrontation decided to physically restrain, hit with batons, sit on and handcuff any child/adult they saw, including the ones walking down the street leaving the party as they had been asked to do. When this happened, I am sure the kids/adults that were being pulled in to this mess were defending themselves as they had not done anything wrong. There were, for a fact, children hit and punch and physically restrained by officers that had not been offending any laws and those were released once the officers began communicating with each other but the damage was done. Shame on a 17 year old for attacking an officer and shame on the officers for not knowing how to control a situation, where there were no weapons, an innocent people were physically abused.
MsBags
8:10 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Are you in law enforcement? Obviously not. And what are you FACTS based on? One sided views? Let me ask you, how would have controlled the situation if you were attacked from behind and confronted by multiple people? How could that officer know if those thugs had weapons or not? So shame on you for your ignorance. Ignorance is what is wrong with this country. The little bastards deserved worst then what they got and I hope the judge throws the book at them. Their parents should be held accountable too! I always knew where my kids were, who they were with and what they were doing so this falls on the parents just as much as the juveniles. Oh yeah, when you need help from violence, burglaries, etc. etc. don't call the police since you seem to feel they are not qualified to handle a situation appropriately. I suggest you take the time to do a ride-along and get some insight.
cmk
8:57 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
MsBags- you've missed the point...Both of these kids made horrible decisions and will have to live with the consequences, that is why we have a justice system.The police did not need to use the excessive force they did on bystanders leaving the scene.Officers are trained to assess situations.The officers lost control of the situation that night and the result was people not involved were physically challenged and restrained by the officers, unprovoked. Do you know the parents? Who are you to name-call and judge a parent you don't know? Kids all have differnet personalities, introverted and compliant, extroverted and social, they learn life's lessons at different paces. I'm glad you had your thumb smushing your kids, that makes you happy- great. Unless your child is a robot, you cannot control every single move they make. Some insist on learning on their own, the hard way, and some get it the first time.Don't judge parents as a whole unless you have some insight in to this situation which I am sure you do not.The kids at this party for the most part, all grew up here in Livermore and have known each other for years, played sports together, went to school together. The kid that jumped on the officer wasn't intoxicated, didn't have weapons, he made a horrible choice and will have to live with that. Life is not Mayberry RFD, that was a fictional place.Your rant sounds like the result of your own demons you haven't yet confronted- Look in the mirror for ignorance, you need therapy
Johny
1:36 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Police brutality, the Livermore police are the most ignorant cops I've ever delt with. I was at the party, why doesn't this article mention that the kid got beat up by six cops and is in the hospital right now?
Mathew Mobley
2:01 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
just be glad we aint in Russia i would have shot the kids then ask questions
MsBags
8:12 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Good, maybe the little delinquent will learn a lesson and not try to aggressively approach a cop again! Sorry, I have no sympathy for juvenile delinquents.
Michael D. Brown
11:58 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Hey get the info out there, e-mail the editor's write down your story and get your friends to, do what it takes to get your side out there,
Rafäel Marï
12:59 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
or about the officers that started beating on the people watching
HolyMole
5:11 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I know someone who was at the party & I was told that the kid was on the ground curled up in a ball as a FEW police officers contunued to BEAT him with the batons. He never even moved that is why tthe other KID jumped on the cop. he was trying to help his friend. There are 3 sides to a story The 1st side The 2nd side & the truth. I am sure the truth will never get uncovered.
JR
7:15 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
The kid is lucky he didn't get shot! Because after breaking his leg it would of been justified!
Rafäel Marï
1:40 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I agree with Jane, I have heard to many times when young adults are more than respectful to officers but in return the officers treats them as if they are trash yelling at them not telling their parents the truth of what happened, the youth see the police as individuals who disrespect the law they are sworn to protect
Michael D. Brown
12:04 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
@Rafael Mari, it's to sadly true the LPD need's to work on their interactions with the youth in Livermore, it's a problem that has been going on for years, when I was in high school even when my dad was in high school out here it was going on, it's as if the police feel that when dealing with younger people they can do and say whatever they want, and the more people I know who have dealing's with the LPD are saying the same things.
B-nasty
1:42 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
g
Kristofer Noceda
1:43 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
All information we have right now is based on police and a neighbor's report. If anyone was at the party and would like to provide further information feel free to e-mail me at kristofer.noceda@patch.com Thanks
Cin
1:45 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
So from the updated article we can see that the original responder tried to arrest the drunken minor, at that time he was punched by that person AND attacked from behind by his older brother, who then choked and punched the officer. I think the officer showed unbelievable restraint, as clearly there was a gang like atmosphere, he was dealing with two individuals who according to witnesses were hitting and choking the officer. Clearly this officer's safety was in danger, and yet he refrained from lethal AND non lethal forms of weaponery. Those young adults are very lucky.
Jim McSharry
1:48 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
"The LPOA is concerned that these attacks on our officers will continue as the number of police officers employed in our city continues to decrease."
Last I checked with the city managers office, no officers have been laid off. Leaves no credibility to the Police Officers Association
DHS 76
3:52 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Who says you have to lay anyone off to get shorthanded? Look at the numbers, then look up the word "Attrition."
MsBags
8:19 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
People like you are contributors to the break down in society. Who said anything about officers being laid off? Use your grey matter (that thing between your ears called a brain). Funding for law enforcement has been cut and that severely strains patrol by leaving overtime gone, beats have less officers patrolling, outside agencies (i.e. Sheriff) are no longer able to backup since their budgets are strained as well. So when you assess the variables it makes sense; but no where does it say that officers were laid off therefore it leaves no credibility to your statement.
Joe smith
1:49 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Cin, you sound like a Livermore cop.
Cin
3:00 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
No Joe.....just a responsible adult.
Joe smith
3:18 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Or a holier than thow Dudley Do Right who's gullible enough to think that the people of authority can't possibly do wrong.
Jennifer
1:52 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
People blaming the officers are sick individuals and are probably the type who would do something similar. Sadly, I am in the age range of the two juvenile idiots and in my honest opinion, if you are attacking an officer, they should have been beat with a Batton. Clearly the parents were not around to correctly punish them- at least someone finally did! I hope they are tried as adults and to the full extent.
Longtime Livermore resident
1:55 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
As a 40 year resident of Livermore and coming from a family originally from Livermore I can honestly say I have NEVER had any problems with LPD. I can't see how people can honestly stick up for people who first of all commited a crime by getting drunk to begin with let alone attacking an officer. The parents should be ashame of themselves for raising their children in this manner.
Brenda
2:05 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I honestly find what you, Mike said, very prejudice and offensive. "Not a huge surprise on Lambaren"? "If these kids turn out to be running with our local gangs, the city needs to get busy and call ICE"?? Are you serious. These things do happen everywhere; haven't you been up to date with the things happening in town and/or the states? It's not only on this side of town or chestnut, if that's what you or anybody else thinks. Also, what makes you think these kids are mexican? Because I know that obviously crossed your mind. Well guess what? They're not. I know who Adrian is and I can tell you he is a natural born citizen. As well as alot of these kids who believe to be in gangs; alot of them were born here and more than half arent even Mexican. They're just kids and just like a lot of people think, the parents need to step up and take control!
Joe smith
2:22 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Well said, Brenda.
Fread
3:18 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
We just some kids
mike
4:26 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Good! I hope your very offended as am I that something like this would happen not once but twice in this same area. You go ahead and protect and try to avert blame away from the those repsponsible all you want. In my mind you have risen to the same level as those sitting behind bars right now. Yeah and i am serious about ICE, very serious or have you not been paying attention either.
Brenda
2:15 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Also, people need to realize that not everything, crime or violence, that goes on is gang related. It seems to be one of the first things that comes to mind to a lot of adults, especially the police. That just gives those kids more fame. Quit assuming and get to the bottom of things instead of creating more crime and violence.
MsBags
8:34 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Tired of hearing people try to justify the ill behavior of children. I don't care what their race is; bad behavior is bad behavior. The reason it is out of control is because of people that want to make excuses and not hold children accountable. I am tired of hearing people turn it into a "racial" issue to divert the entire issue at hand. Facts are that more Hispanics (I'm Mexican so don't accuse me of being racist) and blacks commit crimes against law enforcement because they have been protected by organizations that have given them the idea that no matter what they do they will not be held accountable because of their race. BS. This is America and WE ALL should have to abide by the same rules and laws....NO EXCEPTIONS, NO EXCUSES. I raised my children to respect authority just as I was raised and my Father was raised, I have a large family that resides in the SF Bay area, Fresno, and Madera, and I can tell you that we are all law abiding citizens that respect authority and none of my family has ever had a police officer beat them down or accuse them of anything because they are Mexican. In fact my family are all upstanding members of the communities they live in. Racism is not only a "White" thing either so lets just abolish the "Race Card" all together!
mike
9:33 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Bravo-MsBags. You said it and lets not forget that Hispanics and Blacks often suffer more from the criminal element who prey on them in their communities.
cara schopplein
2:24 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
It disgusts me that some people think it is ok to assualt a police officer. They are here to protect the community. I have lived here for 15 year and have never had a bad expirence with LPD. They have always been helpful and respectful no matter what the situation. You need to give respect to get respect
Rick Hammer
2:30 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
goes both ways Cara
Steve Lane
2:40 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I am of the third generation from my family to grow up in Livermore. When I was a kid, I lived in the same neighborhood as where this party took place. It was a rough neighborhood then and its rougher now. When I was growing up there were 8 officers on the lpd force and I knew them all and they knew me. Not because I was doing anything wrong but because I was out and about and so were they. In those days everybody got along very well with each other and mostly with lpd with a few exceptions. In my opinion it got bad around 1980 when the police force suddenly grew to 3 times its size and the new officers were wet behind there ears and ready to take on the town. It ended up buying them a riot downtown shortly thereafter. I do not condone anyone ever striking an officer in fact, thats a good way to get yourself killed. I do however, believe that certain amount of tact needs to be employed by the police when confronting a large crowd of inebriated kids.
Joe smith
2:45 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Amen again, Hammer!
cmk
9:03 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Cara, who said it was ok to assault an officer?
MommaEscamilla
8:01 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Well said Cara! Funny when people actually look at statistics those that are so called "assaulted" by the police usually have criminal records and do not respect authority; for sure not law abiding citizens. How many law abiding citizens do you hear that "get beat down by the police" or are randomly victimized by law enforcement? People that make this accusation give themselves up and stick out like a soar thumb!
Tiffany S
3:34 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
This isn't the first time Adrian has started a fight at a party and last time he got way out of control.. I think he will learn his lesson this time! He has anger issue and cant control his drinking. Just a thought.
Dubbert Friggert
3:38 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
testing
MCR
3:42 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Adrian was sober at this party. So the judgement on him needs to stop. There are two sides to every story, right and wrong.
Loyal Livermore Mom
3:46 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
LPD is fantastic. Here's a thought, don't be a troublemaker and you won't get into trouble. Wow, now THAT'S a no brainer. Kids are very lucky the officers didn't use more (deadly) force. Maybe they will next time. WHO is bringing up these kids to have no respect FOR ANYONE??? I'm so sick of you.
Robert
12:25 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I couldn't have said it better myself...amen sister! :)
Ice
3:49 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Thank you loyal Livermore mom. How do we "like" that?
Ice
3:52 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Hey remr5. Look up "there" in the dictionary. If you're going to have a constructive a-r-g-u-m-e-n-t you may want to brush up on your grammar. Try some e-d-u-c-a-t-i-o-n in general. It may help your case.
remr5
4:01 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
i'm just ranting......
Loyal Livermore Mom
4:02 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Thanks Ice. It's pretty obvious who was at the party and/or who knows someone that was at the party by way of their answers in defense. It sickens me that ANYONE would side with the attack of Law Enforcement by punks. Yes, that's all you are - punks. No respect for anyone, anything, especially yourself. You are of no benefit to society. If you grew up in unfortunate circumstances, I'm sorry and wished you would reach out for help to better yourself, not become worse. If you want to hurt yourself, then go ahead. But leave everyone else alone. This town, or any town doesn't need your misery. But if you WANT a better life, then the community is here for you! YOU CHOOSE!
LN
4:11 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I'm sorry about what happened to the police officer & the boy who attacked him made the wrong desicion. However, what about the kids watching that got hit with Batons an shoved because they were watching?? This article needs to address the violence by police on innocent bystanders. They let the situation get out of control and they tried to fix it using excessive force! THAT is just as much as an issue as the policeman being attacked.
Joe smith
4:33 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Exactly. Well said.
cmk
5:40 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
LN, were you at this party, did you see this? Or did you hear about it?
mara
11:08 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
For those that don't know. The officer trip and broke his leg. Adrian was sober. The second kid was not trying to jump the officer. He was picking up his brother from the party when he saw that a couple of officers were brutally hitting him on the floor. IF THIS WAS YOU SON/BROTHER What would you have done??? as a natural reaction and out of love you don't nothing bad to happen to them. Right? Sorry but that's reality. Under those circumstances sometimes you don't think right. Things happen too fast. We didn't even think of recoding what was going on in the moment. How many cops had this juvenile??? Why did the cops cover his face? That white bag over his face turn red from his own blood after that brutal attack the officers gave him. My God bring justice. My prayers are for justice/righteousness.
G man
4:13 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I've been to parties in Livermore as big as this one where the cops show up and yes they may be loud with what they say but hey, wouldn't you be if theres around 100 people drunk at a party at 1:30 in the am, but they don't come out with batons ready and violent, something had to happen in order for this to escalate like it did
Ice
4:13 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Remr5, were you being sarcastic in the other post? Mocking these idiots? If so, I'm totally on board with you! We live in a disgraceful world when/if there is regret for such an honorable job. I'm sorry
remr5
5:26 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
not an issue....
Bryon Bruce
4:21 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I grew up here, there are parties, house parties. There were house parties every weekend we never had any big problems. Kids in this town are great kids. Now if you go downtown, how many cops are downtown every weekend because of these adults. WOW great example these drunken adults are, might be these adults need some thumping. How many cops are dedicated to just down town every weekend looks to be about 4. Why dedicate 4 cops to just getting to know these great kids of our city have some dialogue find out where the parties are, make sure they are safe too. These kids need a little help becoming adults. We don't want them to turn out like the adults we have downtown. AND grow up to need to be policed.
Michael D. Brown
12:19 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
@Bryon Bruce, very well put
Ice
4:22 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I'll tell you what, LN, when I was underage partying it up at 1:30am & the police showed up we all RAN like the dickens. We didn't stick around to watch a fight or anything else.
Anon
4:28 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
All of you are rediculous. I was at that party, it just got out of hand fast. The location of the house has nothing to do with who was there. Just a bunch of us just graduated high school, none of us are "gang bangers" like I said the party got out of control for a minute but then in was fine. The police where being extremely aggressive with people who weren't even doing anything, yes in this situation he should not have got on the officer but still don't judge the situation when none of you even know who was there or what happened.
bill smith
4:38 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
too bad the police didnt kick sum ass after this. That neighborhood is the ghetto
MCR
4:56 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I think people should stop blaming the poor parents for their kids actions. Parents do the best they can to raise their children right. What is a parent to do, chain their kids at home so they won't go out and party? As a parent you set bounderies and curfews for your kids and you expect them to obey your rules but that's all you could do. You can't judge a parent for their kids irresponsiblities and bad judgement.
MsBags
7:16 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
@MCR ~ clearly you are either a lame parent or you aren't a parent at all. You said "I think people should stop blaming the poor parents for their kids actions" excuse me for a moment.....ROFLMAO....o.k., now that I have my composure, poor parents my butt. They should know where there kids are, who they are with, and what they are doing....step up and be a responsible parent and teach your children morals and values. I took responsibility for my children when I raised them, I disciplined them, and made them deal with the consequences of their actions. My kids would be relieved to go to jail over what they would have faced dealing with me. Obviously some parents "best" is not good enough or we wouldn't have violent dumb teens running-a-muck around at parties past curfews! Yes a parent is responsible for how their child turns out. Sorry, I raised my kids the old fashioned way.....respect, morals, values, spankings (not beating to all you anti spanking yaya's) and the fear of Mom and Dad! Today's parents (not all) are lazy and lack the ability to be a parent, you're responsibility to your child and to society is to raise a child that is going to become a productive member of society, not a menace to society. So parents should have some degree of accountability.
Kristofer Noceda
5:07 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
We've updated the article to include new information from 1) a resident of the home who hosted the party and 2) a statement from police re: claims that excessive force was used.
Concerned Mom
5:27 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
You're just kids, Fread? It just got out of hand? There were 100 people there!! How about if you stop and think that the police were called by numerous people and just last week an officer was assaulted while doing his job. They don't know who you are when they get there. They get to an out of control situation and are supposed to what .... stop and ask some out of control mob what's going on? You just got out of high school? You have no business drinking in the first place. You're lucky you all weren't arrested.
Next time I suggest you THINK before you have a house party that will get out of control and someone... ANYONE.... gets hurt.
Gas Guzzler
5:49 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
It's interesting to read the anti cop Occupy useless anarchists comments in here!! What should've been done here is the way the Indian Police control crowds in India. 1st a Sadeghy (Sikh) Sergeant on Horseback with his Regiment high step into the mob after only 1 warning to disperse, then if the horses don't make the hooligans disperse, the proper use of bras tipped dundas are used to subdue the really unenlightened fools of the mob...
John doe
5:57 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Round 2 tonight?!?!?!?
John doe
5:59 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Daniel Potts knows what he's talking about
Concerned Mom
6:07 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
When they roll up on you in the park, do you think they have a clue who you are or what you're doing? Are they supposed to walk up to you "Hey, what's going on?" and you pull a gun on them? This was 100 people, not some 10 person party. The people there are lucky there wasn't more force by the police. People need to learn some respect for authority. And I'm not saying that every cop is a good one, so don't start on that. There are plenty of jerks, I know that. But how anyone can look at this situation and blame the LPD is beyond me. Underage kids were drinking, they attacked a police officer and broke his leg. Don't see anything there that is right.
mike
6:17 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
You might as well save your breath when it comes to defending the police on this site. Some people are not going to be persuaded no matter how earnest and rational you are-period. For the rest of us 'if you cant do the time, don't do the crime".
Gianna stoneham
6:22 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Where is the respect? And why was there underage drinking? That usually does not mix.... As a warriors watch rider I will stand by our Police, Fire, Emt, and all our service members ...God Bless and prayers out to the hurt officer..
Daniel Potts
6:26 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Kjf74_hOk&feature=related
This may explain why Livermore residents have a fear of the police. Notice the officer in the bright coat draw his firearm from his holster. Scary/Threatening much? Especially when the gentleman claims to comply and obviously has no rounds in his firearm. Also is it really a necessary and viable option to have THREE patrol cars on scene with a man who has not broken any laws in the first place?
People who worry about their safety are not at fault for thinking that.
mike
7:06 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I watched this video and saw nothing that would suggest that the Livermore police are "out of control and scary". Was that you with your pistol in your holster? i thought you were treated with plenty of respect and the person even thanked the police for treating them well, perhaps faceitiously. Besides "open carry" was disallowed in Ca. after the new year. So what is your gripe? does your being stopped mean that it is ok to attack the police?
Robert
12:43 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Daniel-the guy in this video is a thorn in the side of LPD-He's a member of 'Open-Carry' and he's ALWAYS going up to wherever the police are, just so he can spout laws and PRETEND he's smarter than they are, and when the officers see he's got a side-arm, and they ask to inspect it he throws a hissy-fit....all his contacts with the police are caught on video and posted on U-tube....this loser is infamous to the police, so to use him as an example of why you think the police like to harass citizens, you might as well toss this one out of the (losing)argument
Concerned Mom
6:36 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Thanks Mike. You're obviously right.
Ron
6:44 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
So here we have a situation where the police are considerably outnumbered and have to get things under control quickly. Those beligerant partiers are lucky they didn't do it by breaking heads, and the people who attacked the police officer should have been sent to the hospital before going to jail. As to the Rick Hammer and remr idiots, do us all a favor and move to some place far away, you don't deserve to be here. Maybe Cuba would be a good place for you, I'm sure your freedoms would be protected there.
Rick Hammer
7:17 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Thanx for the advice Ron. I am all over that moving thing. Livermore was a much better place when it was cowboys and mexicans By the way did you actually help your big mouth and these other ignorants by serving or do you rely on people like me to do that for you?
Police State
7:01 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
The Livermore police harass the people they are supposed to work for all the time. They are very well known for going on "fishing trips" and trying to intimidate private citizens into forfeiting their fourth amendment rights. The Livermore police also gladly enforce unconstitutional legislation on a daily basis. The above video is a good example.
This particular officer might not have deserved to get his leg broken, but the public disgust with the department comes from somewhere.
mike
7:10 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
This sounds like chumba wumba or Magnus T or whatever he is calling himself now. Still got your dandruff up Heh?
Daniel Potts
7:24 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
@Mike 1. That video was 2011 as it says directly beneath the video. Just so you know, open carry of unloaded firearms in places other than public lands is illegal. Also, you may "open carry" long guns. 2. You are obviously not connecting the dots here. What I am pointing out is the link here between the way the acted in this situation and the way they would presumably act in an elevated situation. 3. I guarantee you would not be happy-go-lucky if I walked up to you with a loaded Glock in my hand while you stood there defenseless.
S
8:10 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
What a loser.
jimbob
9:20 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I played pong with Adrian and he wasn't drinking I had to drink all the beer at least when I was with him I never saw him drink anything
Rick Hammer
9:54 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Sorry jimbob this is what Livermore has turned into. it wasn't overnight, but damn. Some people go through life with blinders on and when it affects them they act all surprised with some comment about they didnt know. They dont want to know.
Charlie
9:23 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
He should have shot them. This is ridiculous. These *kids* need to be punished. I am sickened by this story.
daaaammmmnnnn
9:29 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
daammmmmnnnnnnnnnn
Kfuller
10:47 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I can't believe how many of you are defending those kids. First I can't even imagine what it is like to be a police officer today nor why anyone would even want to be one, the put there life on the line every day and for what, a community like ours who says these nasty things about them??? But I bet you will call them when you need help??? If those underage kids had not been drinking/fighting non of this would have happened, (and you Mr Hammer or what ever your name is if you didn't get into trouble then the police would not bother you either). The police are the same pretty much in most cities and you may always have a bad apple here and there just as you do with teachers, mechanics ect... but think about the job an officer has each time he pulls over a car he has no idea when he walks up to that window, or for that matter when he gets a call to go to a house party he has no idea if there is a gun a knife, now a days you just don't know...... No it doesn't give them the right to just beat people down but I think you can understand why they need to be a bit more defensive especially when they are very out numbered. I just ask put yourself in there shoes..... The other thing teens are more out of control now then they were 10-20 years ago.....
MsBags
8:58 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
No one should defend these kids, that is what is wrong with youth today; no one is holding youngsters accountable for their actions anymore and this incident is just confirmation of that and all the yahoos that make excuses for them.
Taylor
1:31 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Well Mr. Hammer again if you have such a big problem with the LPD you should get out of our town! They LPD are just doing what they are paid to do ..which is to protect our city so if you can't appreciate them putting their life on the lines then again..MOVE!!! These kids are lucky they didn't use a gun on there ass!
Rick Hammer
11:39 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
yeah your a winner. thanx for the suggestion, but already commented.
Robert
1:40 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Hammer....LPD doesn't pull people over at random and just for the hell of it...the driver has to have done something wrong or the officer has to see something amiss. like a bad registration tag, broken tail light, something...but LPD is NOT LAPD
Robert
1:42 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Hammer....tell you what....I'll call my buddy who IS an officer, and I'll tell him you are so unhappy with LPD's services, and I'm sure he'll escort your sorry ass out of this fine city...QUIT COMPLAINING, or MOVE!
John doe
2:22 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Cops in Livermore are some nocks they gave me a ticket when I was riding a scooter home from football practice
LBS
8:00 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I grew up in Livermore and never had issues with the police. I use to go to these house parties and I have to say we were up to no good which is why I never allowed my kids to go to house parties as teens. Under age drinking and drugs.....at 1:30 these kids had to of known that the party would get busted. And the kid that jumped the officer from behind is 19 and at that age I'm pretty sure you would know that is wrong. I have not run into a bad officer in Livermore, not saying there isn't as they are given a lot of authority and it wouldn't surprise me if a few may have a hard time with learning to manage this. However, we as citizens have to comply with them even if they behave with arrogance or risk the consequence. With all that's going on in this community it seems the police have there hands full. I choose to behave respectfully even if someone including and officer falls short of my expectation and I expect the same from my kids. If there ever were to be a problem I would take it up with the courts.
david
8:36 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Seems to me that the LPD PIO goes to great length to tell us batons were not used and frankly WHY WEREN'T THEY?? These criminal acts should be met with severe push back. These jerks need to know they, not the police will go to the hospital when they attack the police.
TrueRealist
9:43 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
The 19 year old is going to get considerable jail time and the 17 year probably will be charged as an adult. Rightfully so.
This Adrian guy is a sorry excuse for a man. Not only do you attack an officer but you do it from behind where he can't see you? Good move tough guy. Now you'll be the one getting it from behind.
Ugh!
11:48 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
:)
Mama R
9:45 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I seriously can't believe all of the crap im reading. Whatever happened to respect? I read a comment that said " what are parents to do" Wake up. Take responsibality for your children. If there out past curfew, go find them. If they ask to go to a party, verify that there will not be drugs and drinking. Parents need to step up and monitor their children. What the heck is the matter with you people? We need to respect our police. Maybe if parents would step up and actually be parents and set a good example for our kids, we would not be having this discussion. There are many programs and classes out there to help parents learn to moniter their kids and keep them out of trouble. We as parents need to supervise our kids. Wake up people stop blaming our police. What happened to that officer is a total disgrace. It is heartbreaking to think that anyone would blame the police. By the way drinking is illegal for anyone under 21. If your child has issues with drugs or drinking, get them help. Don't sit back and watch you child selfdestruct. Be a parent!!
Human
11:08 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
If the police could "swing" their batons at these idiots like they should and not be second guessed by a bunch of back benchers like the ones that post here, I bet there'd be less attacks. Personally, he would have been 100% justified using deadly force. 1 vs 10 and they're trying to choke him out? One less dirtbag in Livermore won't hurt anyone's feelings except the other dirtbags'. And who cares how they feel?
Dell
11:29 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I hope the police officer makes a speedy recovery. This kind of incident is to be expected because Livermore along with Dublin and Pleasanton are sandwiched between two crime infested cities Oakland and Tracy (Meth capital of the East Bay). Highway 580 which connects all these communities is bascially a transportation corridor of crime. Highway 580 is a preview of what will happen when BART extends to Livermore another potential corridor for crime. Another problem people must consider is the legalization of marijuana for medicinal use. More people will be on a marijuana high along with drugs and alcohol. If this doesn't embolden further crminal activity than I do not know what will! The lousy economy also has to be factored into the cause of criminal activity. These are the times were living in!
Ugh!
11:45 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
The article states that there were mulitple calls about a fight/disturbance. The police were not out looking to harass these people. If they want to gather and drink etc, they should learn to control themselves and not become a public neusance. Also, From the article it is my understanding that there was underage drinking at a party at this home. Will the owners/renters of this home be held responsible?
How old are the owners/renters? Were there adults that weren't home or was this a home of young adults hosting a parting where underaged friends were present? One resident said he just moved in and they are students @ Las Positas College. I would like to know if they receiving funds, and grants that enable them live in this home where they host parties for underage youth? Yes, this may just be a party gone haywire, but from the description of the youths at this party, the atmosphere and attitude, I think it is much more. We can't tolerate this at all. Wasn't it last week an officer was assaulted with bricks in the same area?
Rafäel Marï
12:53 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I see all these comments about what happened to the officer, yet I don't hear about how the boy that was being arrested got beat half the death by the police, or did I hear about how the police locked down the street and began beating the individuals that were not involved in the fight with the officer, watching the video can really change your opinion and can drastically change the story.
Kristofer Noceda
1:11 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Where can we see this video?
Michael D. Brown
1:33 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Ya where is the video???
Livermore resident
4:47 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Sorry, not available yet, still being edited and photo-shopped...will post it when all the scenes of the kids fighting, kicking, spitting, punching, etc is deleted thus leaving only the officers attempting to gain control of the crowd is posted....
MsBags
7:24 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
What video? There is no video that depicts what you are describing. Probably because the video would show the truth about one officer being beat by a bunch of juveniles.
GHS teach
4:31 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I am a staff member at GHS, these boys that did this have been a problem for a long time. Thugs if you ask me. I find it very hard to believe that the police were in any way out of line. They have always acted like degenerates and been defiant. If it's not one thing, its another with them. Always causing problems and are usually around trouble. Hopefully they are forced to suffer the consequences of their serious crime.
mike
6:55 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Thank you for adding a little sobriety to these posts. As these boys were either angels unjustly accused or the devil on a bender. I suspect the truth lies in the deeds done and the people in/of authority who have dealt with them.
cmk
9:10 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
GHS teach - are you really a "staff member"? Check your facts about the school that these two attended, check your facts. Your credibility diminishes with your fictional comments. Of course they will have to suffer their consequences..duhhhhh...
Lifetime Livermoran
4:44 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Let's look at this simply by the following events which were illegal to even have the police pay a visit.
1. The party goers got loud, a neighbor called
2. There were underage drinkers - under 21, you are knowingly breaking a law.
3. There was a party goer that had way too much to drink, public intoxication, underage as well perhaps?
If any of the above didn't happen, please correct me, but these are the reasons the police came to the house in the first place. All which are illegal and warrant a call. So the police came, and all those who were any of the above were at fault. We need to stop pointing blame at the police, they enforce the rules, if rules aren't broken, they don't visit. So in the end, the party goers are at fault, plain and simple! Please teach our society to respect the rules, the enforcers and our neighbors!
Loyal Livermore Mom
5:47 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
@TrueRealist.....you had me laughing out loud with your last sentence. But seriously, you nailed it, plain and simple.
@ GHS teach.....thank you for the confirmation about the character of these kids. Just living up to their reputation of punks.
To the rest of you defending these idiots, get a life. One with respect and courage. You all sound like a bunch of crybabies who have been "harassed" by LPD at one point or another. Bottom line, they don't harass people who don't deserve it. If you are a good citizen and care about your community and have no problem with authority - they leave you alone. And actually they are very helpful and generous with support when asked. But if you are shady and are acting shady - you bet your butt I want them rolling up on you to find out whats going on. LPD is there to protect me and my family FROM YOU!
Kari Hulac
6:22 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Comments that violate our terms have been deleted. (www.livermore.patch.com/terms). If there continues to be profanity (and veiled profanity) or name calling, we will turn off the commenting on this article.
Steve
6:33 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Never question authority it is very bad,.Ask Mao se tung.HA! I think ALL of you are immature idiots.Makes me watch my back around you monkeys.
DG
7:40 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
By these comments it's obvious to see where the kids get their violent behavior from, honestly you are talking about teenagers, can't anyone be an adult and just say that what they did was wrong and leave it at that.... Or just not say anything at all, I can't wait for the day where one of you, your kids, grand kids, nieces, or nephews runs into problems with law enforcement or something similar and everyone is attacking you or your family saying how awful of a person they are, it won't feel too great will it. Now I know nobody is perfect, all of us commenting aren't (even though I'm getting the impression by what some of you are saying you think you are) all of these comments are demonstrating the EXACT behavior why there was fighting at this party you are all teaching your children it's okay be be like you, Call others names and acting like you know all behind your computer, this is bullying, just the same as fighting. If you believe the police are amazing here then that's great for you, but being someone who was able to witness the brutal acts towards innocent (40-50 max and 20-30 max when the fighting broke out) people trying to get away from violence, I have to respectfully disagree. This site is NOT a reliable source for information, it's just like a tabloid posting the story from hearsay and relying on quotes from people who weren't even there. The majority of these comments are a joke, I'm honestly embarrassed that some of you live (continued...)
Anon
8:58 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Amen DG
voice of reason
9:39 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Part of police training is command and control. When an officer is placed into a situation such as this, it is imperative for his/her safety, as well as the safety of all involved, that he/she obtains and keeps command and control. Most officers that get killed or injured do so because they failed to follow their basic training. They are not required to meet force with equal force, but are trained to use the proper judgement in deciding the appropriate response. Are there officers who abuse their authority? Yes, just like politicians, military personnel, corporate managers, teachers, and anyone else in a position of authority. Point is, cops are human. They also have placed themselves in a position where their lives are put in danger everyday to keep the rest of us safe. How many of you are willing to do the same?
MommaEscamilla
8:10 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
@voice of reason.....Very well said!!!
Bond, James Bond
12:18 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
Actually--DG is wrong. Very wrong. The fact that these individuals are "kids" does not justify the behavior or make it any less wrong. These "kids" hurt another human being in a situaton in which they had absolutely no right to do so. If other officers had not been there, these "kids" might have killled someone. Both sides are not wrong here."The police responded to a complaint call and found dozens of underage people drinking, and that is against the law.
Most "kids" do not assault police officers. Most "kids" do not get in trouble with the law, suspended from school, get in fights, or commit acts of vandalism.
I know these "kids." They are totally disrespecful boys. They think that they can get away with anything they want to. Thier parents have spoiled and enabled them and never held them accountable. Most of their friends that I am aware of are also disrespectful.
In fact, "how they are punished" is everyone's business since a crime like this is a crime against the community; against all of us.
Question: Are these boys your son? You sound as if you are the parent of boys like this.
Livermore10
12:45 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
It sucks this is open for comment. Too many cases of people getting bold behind a computer screen. Right or Wrong, leave it to the court. All the adults attacking the kids over comments makes them look childish and attacking the cops over comments doesn't do anything. Let it be.
KWalkerM
2:00 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
What the hell is wrong with people who think it is okay to beat and choke someone police officer or not!? It's one thing to beat your average citizen and another to assault a police officer who is clearly armed. I hope the officer gets well soon and the scum who attacked him go to jail. Have fun getting your salad tossed in the Pen dirtbags!
cmk
11:12 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
Again, who said it was okay to beat and choke a police officer? Can't find anyone here that said it was ok. Can you be specific or are you ranting aimlessly without grounds?
Truth teller
7:26 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
Here is some facts that those of you defending those who attacked the officer and those who hosted the party might be interested in....
Dallas Miller (the host of the party) was ARRESTED last night for breaking into one residents home and then as she watched and called the police, he checked several vehicles to look for items to steal and then entered another neighbors garage! He was caught in the act, INSIDE SOMEONE'S garage that he had broken into, by the officers.
Arrested for burglary (a felony) and possession of stolen property (another felony)
Just the facts, nothing but the facts.
Kristofer Noceda
3:52 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
Police just released information on this arrest here: http://patch.com/A-qYXC
Bill Rovid
7:47 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
These kids should have been shot by the officer. He probably didnt because they were kids. I hope they go to jail for a long long time...... Livermore gov. needs to stop worring about funding for roads and needs more police officers. They have needed them for quite some time. I hope those kids go to jail for a very long time.
Truth teller
8:25 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
Did you know that the current total number of sworn officers in Livermore is the same as it was over 15 years ago? Yet the city has grown by thousands. Those guys don't stand a chance with the conditions they work in. The world is getting more violent and more and more people feel its ok to challenge the police. The city council needs to look at reality and fill the spots left vacated by several recent retirements. The police are way understaffed and expected to do too much. The gang team has been taken away and the narcotics team has been taken away. How can we expect them to be able to protect us when they aren't protected by local government?
Instead of slamming the police, we should all go to the city council meetings and demand answers! Why are we paying for police services yet the city is not providing the police department with the necessary personnel? Don't make your voice "heard" here. Maybe a hundred people read all these comments. Make your voice heard to city council.
Kari Hulac
9:44 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
We at Patch totally agree that everyone should participate in their local city government, but for the record, this article has received more than 5,000 page views. And if anyone has been inspired to get more involved in our site as a result, we are always looking for bloggers. Patch has 14,000 community bloggers nationwide. Become one for Livermore and you'll have your own hometown platform to talk about the issues you care about.
James Buckley
10:47 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
I lived in Livermore for 30 years before leaving for a more peaceful life in rural Northern California. I think Steve Lanes above comment has merit. I am in no way defending the actions of a out of control underage party, and assaulting a office has its just consequences, but do know in my 30 years of living in Livermore that some of the officers were far from sainthood and way to aggressive. If you live in Livermore and never have had any police contact or experiences you can't just blindly support your local police. There are and have been offensive officers on the force over the last 20 years, and tails of discusting conduct on duty and past rookie initiation parties with unbelievable activities during those parties told of by reliable sources . The outcome of this paticular police call may lean heavily on the actions of the underage party attendants but also could have been esculated by the actions of your police department, but in no way justify assaulting police even if they helped to inflame the situation. Sadly Livermore is now far different from the sleepy little town I moved to in 1973 and left from in 2003.
Livermoreresident
10:52 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
I do not know this particular situation, but I do know it is a fact that livermore police do make bad judgement calls time to time, and to make judgement on one side of the story and to go along and blame the parents is completely ignorant. Just a few months ago some children in my neighborhood 7-11 years old had guns pulled on them by Livermore police and where yelled at to stay down on the ground and had to do so for over 5 minutes, because te cops thought they were hunting deer, when the children where only playing. Is that not too excessive? Should parents be blamed for their children playing? These kids will now grow up with negative feelings towards police as they have been traumatized by the experience. Mind you all, this was on Hanson road, not rincon, so neighborhood does not matter. You should all get your facts before making judgement on someone's family. It's really none of my business what happens to these kids, nore do I care. But I am saying this to all those judging and going as far to say these kids are in a gang and should be shot. These comments are racist and naive.
JR
9:29 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
The officer was attacked. His leg was broken. Was the kid hurt??? Your judging!! What if it was your neighbor having a party with 100 people smashing bottles in the street. I bet you would call the police!
hals1
11:10 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
A permit for these large parties should be required as they lead to teens drinking, drug use, and violence. They disturb the neighborhoods and bring in undesirable persons who take advantage of the noise and confusion. I had a neighbor who had a couple of these noisy parties and went over to have them lower the music. The kids were mostly respectfull except for one or two but it didn't quiet down till 3 am. I warned them I would call police next time. There were a few break-ins on our street in the following months stealing from sheds and homes as well as vandalism. The parents also play loud music, left gas in open containers on the driveway's. They rent and have 4 families living in a litlle 1200 sq ft. home. They have 7 or 8 cars . Their kids are respectfull and friendly but not all their friends are. The owners and parents should be made responsible for the teenagers acts .
John
1:41 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
The police have a very tough job and it seems that as this town grows, they are getting more overwhelmed. we have seen gangs come in from Hayward and drug arrests are on the rise.
Having said that I also know that they can also go overboard. I know Adrian quite well and from what many witnesses say he never jumped on the officer or struck the officer. He isnt the type of person to cause trouble and in fact was trying to stop the situation. After all of this settles down, and the truth comes out on both sides, I think you will see that charges are dissmissed or lowered.
Were there a number of drunk underage kids in a group? YES! Did some of them get rowdy and loud? Yes! But in the chaos an officer fell down and broke his leg. Not a great situation for all involved. But reading an article, a statement from the police and casting judgement is just as wrong. let the courts work it out, and if people are guilty let them do time.
The parents are not to be blamed. Our Nice Liberal laws have taken away parents rights to do anything so let the offenders (The teenagers) pay for their sins. As far as Adrian goes, he is a great kid, who doesnt deserve what is happening to him. If you dont know him, then you dont have a right to attack him just from an article.
Anonymous
4:16 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
I couldn't agree more..
mike
2:03 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
An officer "fell down and broke his leg"? He "is a great kid"? Wow! talking about spin. John-you may have a second career in politics, the way you turned this whole story on it's head.
Bond, James Bond
5:03 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
The chance that an honest story will be given by the alleged perpetrators or witnesses is about as likely as winning the lottery.
Livermoreresident
11:27 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
@JR... Judging? Yes he broke his leg, lol that is not a judgement call. Was the kid hurt? well by the looks of his picture he does have obvious black eyes, so I'd say he got a little hurt. But like I said, I DO NOT know this particular situation OR what happened. I only put out the FACTS that livermore police have made mistakes and have gone way over board before. I dont know if that happened in this situation or not, but every one continued to act as though these police do no such wrong, when in fact they have. That was my only intent. NOT to judge this case. Yes, putting your hands on a cop is dumb. Like others have said, truth will come out and the kids will or will not serve their rightful time. But thats not my busines if they do or do not go to jail. It IS my business as a Livermore resident to see and understand that the police have made mistakes in the past. That is all.
Truth teller
11:29 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
Dear Livermoreresident. Please check your facts before telling others to do so. Hansen Rd. is not patrolled be LPD. That is unincorporated Alameda County. That means it is patrolled by CHP and the Sheriffs office. The officers involved in the incident you brought up weren't LPD.
Also, was making 7-11 year olds WITH GUNS in hand lay on the ground excessive? You didn't say there was any actual use of force? They made the lay down... Probably for everyone's safety. Have you not seen the news stories of young children shooting others? Even accidentally shooting themselves, their siblings, or their friends? Or what if the kid turns towards the officer not thinking about the fact that he has a gun in his hand? Are the cops supposed to believe (totally unfounded) that 11 year olds don't shoot people? Do they take that chance?
If that's your neighborhood then you would also realize there are many homes in that area. Many with children. Were the cops supposed to ignore the potential safety risk to those people just so junior didn't have to be inconvenienced and made to lay on the ground?
It's amazing how people think these days! You are complaining about how people with LOADED GUNS in public were treated because they were forced to lay on the ground!
5 minutes? Was that what your child (who has a great sense of time in stressful situations) who told you that? And even if it was... They had to lay down! Poor kids! How did they ever survive such abuse of power!?!? Come on!
James Buckley
2:06 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Dear Truth teller, your blog handle is annoying to start with and your unconditional love of your local law inforcement tells me you have never had a single encounter with local police. They are very capable of acting aggressively toward people as they seem to lump most everyone they encounter into the same criminal loser category they deal with during their police service. The power of the position they are granted often goes to their heads with time. LPD has had some low quality officers in the last 20 years that should have been dismissed for poor performance on the job. I will give you one example told to me by the retired officer himself after leaving the force on a disability claim . He claimed at one time during patrol he stopped 3 black youths on College Ave and asked to see their ID's. Before returning their ID's and sending them on their way he removed a fine point permanent marker from his uniform pocket and drew bones in the noses on all 3 seperate I D's. The parents of the kids involved went to the police station to file complaints against the officer for his conduct. The officer involved simply told his commanding officer, ( come on do you really think I would do something that stupid and crazy to risk my job ) The commanding officer replyed,( I had to ask you). End of complaint and the retired officer found his sick and racist story very amusing. Just on example of some of Livermore's finest. So truth Teller put that in your rightous police pipe and smoke it.
True story
3:45 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Also the 5'7 125 lb 17 year old had to spend a good amount of time in the hospital from his beating from a total of 6 officers at the end of the situation. Batons included. Stop these power hungry imbusals. Quit defending them because they have a badge. Not all cops are good. Livermore has its fair share I shady officers and it's about time we take care of them.
Anonymous
6:06 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Do you think ghost is the beginning of Gge end?
Anonymous
6:07 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Do you think this is the beginning or the end?
Anonymous
6:10 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Truth teller, to tell you the truth I don't see a very bright future for u sport
Truth teller
7:16 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Anonymous, those were very intelligent comments. Have the police take a month off and see how well behaved people of your same opinions act. You say F the police? Have fun with that! YOU have no reason to respect the police? The police have NO REASON to respect you... But they do anyways!
Livermoreresident
10:21 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Truth teller how dumb are you? I don't mean to get negative on here but you read my words COMPLETELY wrong! You have no right to call your self a truth teller. First of all, the children I talked about did not have guns. What are you smoking? They were playing around, with sticks or something I believe. The Livermore police were called by another neighbor believing they were teenagers with now and arrows hunting deer. The LIVERMORE police showed up, drew their guns at the children, and yelled at them to get down on the ground. These children had to stay on the ground for a five minute period and had to have guns in their faces. Hanson road is patrolled by Livermore police constantly. This is my neighborhood so I would know. The police drive down the street just to patrol about once a week or more, not chp. You just be confused with 84 or Buena vista. And these children were not my children, the parents sent letters to everyone in the neighborhood to inform them of te incident. You are no truth teller at all. Change your name.
James Buckley
11:17 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Thanks Livermoreresident for your educated reply to someone who can't even read a story properly. His blog name is scarry as he is very self absorbed. My 30 years spent in Livermore has shown me some unpleasent stories and dealings with the LPD. They are watching and protecting the community, but who is really watching the LPD for proper conduct while on or off duty. Some of the officers hired may lack the same values and morals growing up in the same generation as the criminals they now are arresting. Blind community faith in people hired to enforce the law in your town can be as dangerous as the criminals they are arresting. The average law abiding citizens who are never involved with the local police are clueless to their actual job performance and can not make a valid or intelligent evaluation . It would be good to have a local community watch group to evaluate local police performance instead of just blind trust in their everyday performance.
ugh.
11:17 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
"They were playing around, with sticks or something I believe."
So was it sticks or something?